How the Grinch Stole Our Podcast Episode (How the Grinch Stole Christmas, 2000 Edition)

Hey there, welcome back to another episode of Almost Classic Movies!

This week, we dive headfirst into the snow-dusted world of How the Grinch Stole Christmas—the Jim Carrey edition, directed by Ron Howard. We couldn’t wait to unravel what makes this holiday flick such a divisive classic.

From Jim Carrey's iconic performance (and improvised one-liners) to the over-the-top makeup and quirky takes on Dr. Seuss's beloved tale, we had a lot to unpack. Along the way, we tackled some burning questions: What’s the true cycle of life for the Whos on a snowflake? Why does the Grinch love monologues as much as he hates Christmas? And let’s not forget—was Max secretly a discarded Christmas gift?

Of course, we couldn't overlook some of the movie's hiccups, like the slightly chaotic merging of original storylines with added backstory. And don’t get us started on the questionable timeline logistics of Cindy Lou Who’s mountain trek!

Join us as we relive some of the Grinch's most quotable moments, question the film’s Christmas spirit, and debate whether it truly captures the essence of the original Seuss story.

If you’ve ever wondered how a 20-minute animated classic could stretch into an hour-and-45-minute feature, this is the episode for you. Grab your eggnog and a comfy seat—we’re sliding down Mount Crumpit into the festive chaos!

Don’t forget to like, share, and rate us (5 stars only, please). Let us know your take on the Grinch—nostalgic masterpiece or over-the-top mess? See you next time!

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Like you're just stuffing things into his mouth. Hello, welcome back to another episode of Almost Classic Movies, a podcast that's almost as classic as. People who think they're trivia geniuses discussing how Jim Carrey was taught CIA techniques to handle prosthetic application and removal. What? That's what my wife said too when I was running this buyer. What? Some of you might be thinking that we're going to do that bit of trivia during the trivia segment. Everybody knows about this. Jim Carrey using. Are, uh, using CIA techniques when getting his makeup applied on to him and whatnot. See, the joke isn't as funny because I had to explain it, but it made sense to me when I wrote it. That's all I care about. I believe you cool. Awesome. So long explanation of a joke that did not land land. I laughed it landed. Well, yeah, but you laughed out of how confused you were. That's a bit of a joke. That's a joke on me. Uh, we're talking about the Grinch. We're doing our Christmas series, um, holiday series. Yeah. However you want to call it, because there's also a New Year's episode that's going to be mixed into it that no one probably has seen. No. So, spoiler on that front. Um, but yeah, today we're doing The Grinch, uh, Jim Carrey's version, well, Ron Howard's version with Jim Carrey starring in it. Yeah. And Anthony Hopkins narrating it that threw me for a loop. I wrote that down. And when it said narrator, Anthony Hopkins, I'm like, what fun bit of trivia too. He did that in a day. That does not surprise me because there's not a lot, but still like that's light work for Hannibal Lecter. True, true. Um, for those who don't know, what is the Grinch or as far as what is the Jim Grinch movie in a brief synopsis? It is this movie is What you get with a little love and true Christmas magic. Anyone can become an extrovert and fight against corporate Christmas. That's a pretty good one. I like that one. Thank you. Thank you. It's very real too. Um, no, it's very real. So I wrote down, it's basically a movie where Bruce Almighty retires to a mountainside home village with a mountainside home with a village view. And over time he becomes depressed and angry about how much the village loves Christmas. And it gets really annoying, but a small girl notices his depression and tries to teach him the true meaning of Christmas. So, this movie also reminds me that it is the Christmas version of Frankenstein. Oh, really? How so? Well, cause a little girl, like, takes in Frankenstein's monster and, like, shows him, like, if you could be human. Yeah, what it means to be human. What it means to be human. Uh, so yeah, it reminds me of, this is a combination of a Christmas Carol and Frankenstein. You can, I could see it. Maybe not Christmas Carol y, but I mean, it has like the, The arc of, I hate Christmas too. I love Christmas. Okay. And it's, Through the lens of a monster becoming loved by a little girl for the whole village to love. Okay, I like that part. Yeah, that makes sense. So, I wrote down the Whoville synopsis of it is, Inside a snowflake exists the magical land of Whoville, wherein Live the who's and almost mutated sorts of munchkin like people who love Christmas just outside of their beloved town lives the Grinch Play by Jim Carrey a nasty creature that hates Christmas and plans to steal it from the who's which he equally abhors Little City Lou who who's Taylor Momsen who's also the lead singer Of a band called the Pretty Reckless. Check them out. Okay. She sings significantly different because she's not like four. But, uh, she decides to befriend the Grinch. This is quoted by Film Freak. Okay. Film Freak, thank you for posting that online and letting me copy and paste it. I cannot get over the idea of this movie taking place on a snowflake. Yeah. What happens if it melts? Yeah. Yeah. That's what it's like. No. But then that becomes Horton's here. Here's a who, right? That's what Hannah, I watched this movie with Hannah and she's like, then they melt and now they live on a flower. Okay. But then what happens when fall shows up? Like they're dead. Yeah. Like, like what? And also like, what is a life cycle of a who? What's the life cycle of who? And because like, if it's a snowflake. And those don't live very long, like, do they live and die before, like, multiple generations live and die before fall? When that flower and Horton hears who dies did like, like one old, like one very young who like Cindy Lou who see the Grinch and everything with Horton and then like the Titanic like retells this whole story in her old age. It's been 84 years or whatever. Yeah. So, all right. For the audience, usually what happens is that we watch the movie. I'm going to be candid here. I'm really surprised that you're doing this. We watched the movie. Donald and I individually watch the movie, we take notes, we come here to record, and we tell you our thoughts based on those notes. And we have this discussion with you. I didn't do any of that. Because I'm so, because I'm so confident, I'm a big fan of this movie. That's my whole point in saying this. And before we started recording, You shared different sentiments. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so let's start with that. Cause I already did all mine, but let's start with that. Uh, I would say I really enjoyed the first hour 10 of this movie. Which it's like an hour and 45. It's an hour 45. So just. See I didn't even write notes for that. And then. I just guessed. I'm so proud of you. Um, and then I had a problem with like the, Like 25 minutes at the end and then I enjoyed like the last like 10 like 10 minutes 5 10 minutes of the movie So you enjoyed the first hour and 15? Yeah, not enjoy how much again say 20 25 the last 15 ish So let's start with the hour and 15 minutes. So, the big thing about this movie is that it's kind of more of like you take basically like a 20 minute animated film. Yeah. Which is based off of like a children's poet, like it's a poetry kid's book. Yeah. Dr. Seuss was really into like his own style of poetry and shared stories through that. Yeah. The biggest thing that they tried to pursue in this is how do we make a feature film based off of a 20 minute animated film. TV, or TV movie, animated TV movie, which is great, classic. Most people have seen that over Jim Carrey's The Grinch. So how do we make this a feature film? We gotta give The Grinch backstories, basically the whole Yeah. kick, or the whole pitch. Yeah. And of course because it's in the early 2000s, we also gotta put a little bit of romance in there because it's the early 2000s. Yeah. How do we do that? They just did it. Watch the movie, that's how they do it. Watch the movie. Uh, basically Jim Carrey and the mom of Leonard from Big Bang Theory really hit it off in elementary school and They shrunk into the size of a snowflake. Smaller than a snowflake, technically. Yeah. So that's the big thing about this. And the whole, like, lead up into where we get into the classic narrative of it, which is about the 20 minutes, which is probably the part you didn't care for, I'm guessing. And that whole section is like, What is Whoville about? Oh, it's very, like, corporate America, consumeristic stuff, which is the whole village of the Whos. And it's this guy who lives up, or this, I guess the backstory says that, like, the wind blew from a different direction one day when the babies were being delivered in Who. And This green who? Yeah, looks like the hairy baby of the wicked witch of the west not watching this movie. You're killing it and um He ends up like growing up gets burned by christmas gets burned by because they're all making fun of how different he looks now he lives in the mountain and Now we're like fleshing out what that interaction looks like for us to lead into it's basically saying like The movie, in short, long story short, it's answering the question, why did the Grinch become so grinchy? Grinchy towards Christmas. Yeah. And in the book it's assumed that it's like consumerism. Yeah. Which they do take and run with and we flesh it out for about an hour and Oh, one For about an hour. Yeah, 100%. Um, and there were some like No notes. Oh, I have, I have no notes on your explanation. Like, thank you. That's fantastic. I have some, uh, so that's my synopsis. What are some points from there that, uh, that you, uh, I really agree. Like I really wrote that, uh, um, the, I really agree with you that the who's have completely lost sight of Christmas in this movie. Right. Um, not sure how I feel about that. I'm still trying to figure that out. Um, I, I, What don't you care for? Or what doesn't? I, I, like, I don't know how I feel about the take of the Who's, um, losing their sense of Christmas. But, I didn't. Like, I'm not familiar, as familiar with the Grinch lore as you are, and It's pretty much established in that movie, but, yeah. No, no, no, but I know what you're saying. Like, I didn't realize that, like, the assumption from reading the book and the movie is that the Grinch Doesn't like the, how corporate, uh, Christmas has become and, and that is, and I guess like that's what the whole story is, is that like trying to find the whole true meaning of Christmas. That's the whole point, right? Yeah. And I would say too, just, To put it out there to like the movie emphasizes the I'll correct myself a little bit. The movie emphasizes a lot more of the consumeristic and the gluttony of Christmas. Yes. Yes, it does. Why in the book, the Grinch is just annoyed that they're being noisy about it. 100%. So they kind of took like a little aspect of it and ran with it because it does make the most sense, especially in the early 2000s as well. No, no less. Well, I mean, like, Yeah, it came out in 2000. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. I guess I'm emphasizing on like a year that, I don't know, America is very consumeristic so whatever. Well, yeah, and I mean also, like at that time, like everybody just survived Y2K, like. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. So in the, when the Grinch is in the mail room and he's like putting all of the letters in. Jury duty, blackmail, pink slip, posting, jury, jury, jury, jury. I think it's really funny that. He lost his mask, because if that was a different movie, that'd be way more catastrophic. Oh, because of the mask. Because of the mask. Yeah, nice. Oh, yeah, interesting. Which that scene, I will say this, I remember when I was a child, Yeah. like, baby, and I saw that commer like, the trailer for the movie, and he said, like, he did the whole, like, you're the, the, the, the Grinch, and it zoomed in. Jim Carrey, two of Jim Carrey's movies scared the crap out of me as a child. Yeah. Because of those two scenes. That and the mask. Yeah, actually, but it's like a classic now. Oh sure. Yeah Um, there was just some things that like really that happened in this movie That really threw me for a loop. One of them was that the who's were having a key party I didn't get that until very I didn't get that also the quote when they were doing the When they were doing the whole, like, lore about, like, how, like, babies are, like, arrive in Whoville, and, like, the wind blew a different direction, and they were doing all this stuff, and there was a clip of, like, a bait, like, a normal Who, like, landing at a doorstep, and the dad, like, The now dad opens up the doors like our baby's here pauses. He looks just like your boss. Yeah, I went like, Oh, it's like, that's kind of cringy. Yeah, it was also very progressive movie too, because the Grinch is like foster or adoptive parents are two women. Yeah, that's pretty progressive. Yeah, I didn't even think of that. Yeah, uh, uh, but yeah, no, the key party through me. That was wild. Yeah, that's that is wild. Who's are getting freaky? Yeah, where's the pineapple? It's on the ham. Uh, on the roast beast. Which is where it should be. Oh, okay. But going to the Grinch as a character, Um, I think it's very interesting, and they did a really good, like, job leading up to the Grinch, like, becoming part of society, because in the beginning, he's like, he's just trying to convince himself that he is actually content with being alone, uh, like, he has to have, like, he has many a monologue of just, like, I'm booked, I'm swamped, like, I don't have time for it. Nine o'clock, jazzercise. Six o'clock, date with myself. I can't cancel that again. Exactly, you know, like Stare into the abyss. Slipping slowly into madness. Dude, I, I love That scene, so good. Yeah. Like, he just smashes the bottle and, like, eats it, and he's like Am I eating because I'm bored? Dude, I still quote, I quote that all, I quote that all the time. As you should. Um. Thank you for, for. No, I, so again, I really, like, his monologues, his quoting really, really make this movie. Um, but like, again, then he also like, doesn't want to love the Christmas music, like he catches himself. Yeah. Singing the Christmas music. Yeah. He's, he's like, Tick, tick, tock, rawr! Just slams like the monkey cymbals in his head. Oh yeah, put it, yeah. Yeah, I So you liked all this stuff leading up to, yeah. Yeah, like You know when this is good. Yeah, I mean that's the part that's different about the movie. Oh, yeah So you like that part? Yeah, I love that part Like when he's talking about what you properly wear under a kilt when he's going it's not a dress. It's a kilt sicko But also for real when he's talking about reasons why he shouldn't go and the fear. It's so real The fear of it being a cash bar is a real thing Fear of mine. Yeah, I don't want to go if it's a cash bar. I don't carry cash who wants to give a bartender at an event their debit card. No, if I'm invited to this event, if I'm especially invited to your wedding, it better be a cash bar. It better not be a cash. I was going to say it better not be a cash. Yeah, like open bar. It's very relatable to like, he kind of wears that Danish outfit and he's like, Ooh, uh, Hmm. That's it. I'm not going. That is very real for me. Like I have three outfits, black shirt, black pants, boots, and then, so that's one outfit. You add a flannel to it. And the two different, the two other outfits is, am I wearing a flannel of some color or am I wearing a denim jacket of some color? And then there's a hoodie. And then I say, that's it. I'm not going. Hoodie, yeah. If it's the wintertime. Yeah. I'll wear a hoodie underneath it. Okay. Okay. So for. During the winter season. Um Also, can we can we talk about you've been at professional events? 100 percent when the Grinch lands on Martha and then he just oh, yeah Like he knows that it's her Because he's motorboating her face planted right into her chest. Yes. I'm like, oh wow. This is Uh, this Leonard from the Big Bang Theory. His mother. Yes. Plays Martha. Yes. I can't remember her name. Uh, her name. Doesn't start with a C? Kristen. I'm not going to pronounce this right. She's in a few TV shows too. Kristen Barninski. Uh, Martha May, who, uh, is also in Mamma Mia, Chicago, and Into the Woods. Chicago is what I was thinking of. Yes. Because I remember seeing her in ads for, uh, the, yeah, TV show. She is the stepmother. And Into the Woods, and she is, uh, Tanya, one of Meryl Streep's friends in Mamma Mia. Okay. So, fun fact for all that. Yes. Um, and also on IMDb, Max is, uh, the third top billed character for the movie. Because he's a good boy. Because he's the GOAT in this movie. He's a good boy. Isn't Max technically a girl? The actor, like, actress playing a boy dog, I think. The dog's name is, uh, Kelly with two L's, so, probably? I couldn't remember. Um, so, I'm an, I'm an, I'm an extrovert, right? I don't, I'm an extrovert, extrovert. I do not get overly stimulated. Uh, the chair of cheer is overstimulated. Oh, chair of cheer. You didn't say anything about chair of cheer. Just the stuffing of, Oh, I got, I get sick every time I see them. That's where the CIA training need to come into play. Like you're just stuffing things into his mouth. Like you're stuffing fudge into this man's mouth. No, for real though, like cookies, like it gets the point to like, as the character, the Grinch, like he's so overwhelmed by like all of this giving to like getting all the food stuff in his face that he's like, is that all you got? Bring it on. Like, he's just so like, I'm beyond like the wall has been I'm over the wall. Oh, yeah. Like I am so beyond done with this that I'm desensitized by like, it's kind of hypnotizing. Yeah. Um, And then I, when he was like all done with that and getting ready to leave putting the mistletoe over his behind. Yeah. The, the symbolism of, you know, just my ass. Yeah. Like. No, it's true. That's. Cause he was over it. Yeah. For sure. He was so over it. He didn't get the check. And then, he didn't get the check. But then the racial joke because the cab drives it by, is it because I'm green, isn't it? Yeah. That's my good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the, the top tier, go ahead. Oh, he takes the Triple X like liquor? Yes. Blows the tree and in the middle of it flamethrower like, yeah. Flame torches the tree. Sure. Yes. Like as a flame thrower. I love it when Martha's like, oh wow, It's so good. Like the whole time when you see those two, like have any semblance of interaction, like, you know, there's something there going on with 'em. Yeah, for sure. Which at this point too in the movie, um, Martha was proposed to by the mayor. Correct. Who's um, what's his name from Arrested Development? Uh, the actor's name is Jeffrey Tambor. Yeah, he's the, he's the grandpa in Arrested Development, I believe. He is George, Bluth or whatever. Yeah, George Bluth in Arrested Development. So, like, he proposes to her, um, she says yes, and then that's, that is when the Grinch breaks because it's all about, like, because the diamond ring is, like, massive, he gifts her. It's a three tiered diamond ring. Yeah, which I don't know how the, whose economy is, but, you know, it could be an ice, you know, Piece of ice from the snow for all we know, but it's chipping away from their world. Aren't we all doing that right now, too? Yeah But he also gives her a car Yes, I don't know how effects wise they did this like, you know the Grinch like then basically keys the car with his finger Yes And then that's when he snaps and then does the whole like all hell breaks loose. Yes What's my point in saying all that? Oh, but anyways, yeah. So he goes crazy ballistic and then runs away. Yeah. But as he runs away too, he's like sitting in the garbage chute, which goes all the way up to, which that physics makes no sense, no sense, but that's also kind of fun. But as he's like sitting on the rim of the chute, he stares and then they, Erect a new Christmas tree and he just like pauses and dumbfoundedness and he's like, they're relentless They have an extra tree. Yes, so Consumerism is wild. But before that Extra tree is brought in that was a top tier car explosion that he was running from top tier Michael Bay Like running away from an explosion. Yeah. Yeah before Michael Bay did it Tom Ron Howard did it Ron Howard did it? 100%. Michael Bay wishes. Again, the CIA training is coming in handy. It's coming in handy, yeah. He did that with all that prosthetic on. Yeah. So impressive. And then he gets home and Max is dancing to Christmas is for the dogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With his, uh, doghouse all decked out. Yep. No, I, I thought that was Are you having a holly jolly Christmas? Wrong o! Throws him out. But that is the impetus to the whole Christmas idea. Because Max pops his head out of the snow with, like, a beard on. Yes. And he's like Oh, I have an idea. Uh, right. Yeah. Yes. Also with the flashback of going to the Grinch and the Grinch makes Mary Mar uh, Martha May's Christmas gift. It really does a really good job of establishing him as an inventor to be able to build his own sleigh. That's very true. I thought that was really good. Yeah. Um, however, I thought it was hysterical that when Jim Carrey, when the Grinch is Like, giving Mac's notes on how to be Oh. And he's just roasting Ron Howard. He's Yeah, I can never get the line right, because he says so much in a little bit, but he's like, picture this. You're a stupid reindeer with a No, you're You're a freak with, you're a freaky reindeer with a stupid big red nose. Nobody likes you. And action. And he like pops the nose off and he's like, Brilliant! You ditch your own nose as a statement of opposing consumerism. Why didn't I think of that? Well, I didn't get that right, but. No, but so Ron Howard. It's so good. But Ron Howard is known for wearing that hat. Yeah, oh yeah. So he's like roasting his own director. Oh yeah, no for sure. I thought that was, that was probably one of my favorite moments. Yes. Of the whole movie. It's so cheeky. It was also, um, Ron thought it was like a hilarious scene and that's why he included it. That's if you watch, that's why if you watch it, it feels like a little like, Whoa, that's a little like different out of pocket. Not entirely, but like it feels different if you watch it, like, intentionally. Yeah, but he liked it so much that like it doesn't add anything to the story. No No, it doesn't but it feel it feels very like rooted in his, uh, Didn't make it. I was the king of like his SNL like impressionism, right? Which is what like he's really known for. Yeah. Um, and then you know, they take off And now the Grinch is Stealing Christmas. The Grinch is stealing Christmas. And this is where you started to not like it, right? No, I didn't mind the, the stealing of Christmas. Cause I'm trying to keep the timeline here. So you like it still so far? Yeah. Okay. Um, so. And I, and I made, I thought I was really funny, um, so was his Christmas vacuum, uh, Hoover? Is that really what it's called or are you just calling it a joke? I'm making that a joke. Oh, I mean. Is that a, is that a Hoover? Maybe. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Could be. Um, yeah, uh. I did like though, going back really quick, like as he's approaching the, uh, Town, who, Whoville, the village. Yeah. Uh, I did like it, like, I mean the whole, like, stint of the movie is Jim Carrey is being Jim Carrey as the Grinch. Oh, 100%. And so, like, you know, you get cuts of like, he's firing on the sleigh that he made by himself. There is no formal reindeer. Like, it's just a, it's just a jet engine with like aluminum rafters built together that look like a sleigh. He like, turns it on, he like, stares at the camera and he's like, this feels good. Like, it's just all these little bits of commentary that make it a Jim Carrey movie. 100%. Like, Ace Ventura, that's like, what he does. Right. Um. Yeah, and the same thing too with like, you know, he's like kicking it on it goes and they're like spiraling around. He's like, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. First, I'm gonna throw up and then I'm gonna die. Mommy, make it stop. And then they land and then yeah, and then he studies it out and forgot about the fat one. Yeah, I mean, you gotta like, then they got to figure out how to get into the first house, right? And that's like a whole thing, which is answering the question like, How does Santa, or how will the Grinch, like, get into the houses? Right. But also, the first house is Cindy Lou Who's house. Right. Hal, with him, poking his head through the tree, does not get recognized as the Grinch. What's the whole meaning of Christmas? Vengeance. How, how, because he sticks his head through that. Like, how? I mean, you could yuck it up to like, Cindy is still like, in a daze, like, half dream, like, I think in the book Sure, in the book, she's like, really, really sleepy. And they also say that to, like, you know, gets, gets her a glass of water and nudges her back to bed. Yeah. So, like, she's probably super tired. Yeah. But, that is still a fair question, like, Whoa, Santa is green in my dream. That is really weird. Really really weird. Yeah. Uh, and then as he goes around stealing from house to house, he saws the Christmas tree from underneath that house. I'm thinking, that's some terrible foundation damage. Yeah, again, with the quips to you, he like saws off the, I feel like this whole episode is just me like quoting the movie. It's great. But he's like clearance sale. Everything must go. Oh, 100%. So good. Um, and then he gets to the mayor's house and, and then he, have you ever kissed a man who's got his tonsils twice removed or whatever? Yeah. Removed twice. No, but I'm dying to whatever and then kisses Max's butt. Max's eyes. Butthole. Yes. Cause like, like any smiles. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I didn't know that bestiality makes it into PG movies. I mean, we're in a very different culture. Oh, right. Yeah. Um, and then, and then, you know, The, uh, the Grinch gets attacked by multiple cats and just to show that dogs are better than cats. Amen. Amen. Amen. That is the best boy. Morris is the best boy. Can we talk about Morris in the show? Not yet. Not yet. Morris is my dog. If you listen to our sister podcast, Six Pints, you'll be very well aware of who Morris is. Morris is the mascot of that show. He is a regular attendee. Sure. Yeah. And then we get Max pulling the whole sleigh up the mountain and Max is the goat. Dan may not be around, not our editor, Dan may not be around in this movie, but Max is a good substitute. Yeah. Good proxy goat. Yes. Um, not the editor. The editor is still a goat. So, and, and so the who's waking up on Christmas morning, They all chant boo hoo, which is very weird to me. And so this is where I start. This is kind of what I was starting to think was going to be where you're going. Like the more you're like complimenting the actual heist. Yeah. I'm like, the heist is, the heist is great. I'm like, I think I know where you're going. And this is where it falls off for me too. So I will say, it feels very like we're figuring out a way to get to the end at this point. So for me, it feels a little disingenuous to the story. Oh really? Because. And what is unique to this movie is that you do get the Who's perspective when they wake up. You don't get that in the animated, you don't get that in the book. Okay, that's fair, yeah. And so we don't know if the Who's were originally upset. But what you are meant to believe, or at least how I took it from the animated, Yeah. Is that the Who's woke up and it was Not because of, like, regardless of the fact that they didn't have all of their Christmas ornaments, they still woke up and they still sung. Like, that was the first thing they did in the morning. They all left their houses. And then they started singing the song. Yeah. And, in this, Oh, sorry, I missed the part that you said animation. Yes. Okay, yes, yes, yes, I agree, yeah. And then in this, they wake up and they're all boohooing and they're all arguing and they're all blaming Cindy Lou Who, which, like hurts for Sidney Lu who like, I feel bad for her, but I'm like, but you're taking away of the impetus of why the Grinch's heart grew. It was because they didn't have everything as they do get on the later to say they didn't have everything and they, and they still believed in Christmas. Yeah. But if that doesn't happen, the Grinch's heart growing can't really happen. And, and so it just feels a little like they changed the motivation of the Grinch in this More than I think they So, agreed. I, I do find the whole story transition. So, like, in every movie, the arc, where you transition from the problem into the problem being solved, like that point of like epiphany or profundity or whatever you want to call it, that moment in this movie feels very contrived because you're trying to, like, This is gonna sound really weird, but you're like forcing a square peg into a, or a rectangle peg into a square hole. Like it works, but it's not the intended way of it meant to like work, you know, like cool. You did it. But that's not how it should have been. And the, what I'm trying to say is, is like they established a backstory or they established like a preface to the entire original story, which is where we're at right now in the, Yeah. Yeah. In this dialogue that you and I are having. Yeah. Um, which is, the Who's are gluttonous, this is the background story for the Grinch. Okay, and now we gotta figure out how we're gonna fit that into the original. Yeah. Narrative that we're in right now and giving a reason for, like, the problem for the Who's is gluttony, and the solution is Christmas spirit. Again, I'm just labeling things in this arc to make it all make sense. And I, and like, as you're saying that, like, I agree, like, it would seem very disingenuous for the Hoos to get up, these Hoos, to get up and still sing. So yeah, I'm trying to speak to the rationale that's happening, and I'm still agreeing that it's messy. Like, the problem is that it's contrived, because it is, because you're trying to figure out how to meld two individual stories into one. Yeah, okay. I can buy that. No, I agree with you. I can buy that. I'm just trying to rationalize it. No, I can buy it. I, no, I can buy it. Uh, I, I will have, uh, This is about, like, well, this is a holiday movie, um, and these are, this is a mini holiday movie marathon, uh, the rest of this is, uh, is gonna be, uh, a little, a festivus, cause I'm just gonna continue to air my grievances. Yeah, please. No, please. I know the movie is messy. Like, I just love Jim Carrey. It's fair. I just If we ever did a, if, I can do this again with Liar Liar. I believe you could. I love Liar Liar. I believe you could. Uh, Ace Ventura. Aged like milk. I still think it's funny. I have not seen Ace Ventura. It, it's not okay today. It's not okay today. Um, keep going. So, um, and I think the mayor blaming Cindy Lou Who is, is cruel. It's petty. It's really cruel. It's so petty. Um, because he's the, he's the point. Of their, the problem that I mentioned, like, he is the point. Oh, for sure. Like, at this point in the movie, too, like, all the He's the leader. The, the village folk are all, like, starting to figure it out, and it's all starting to click for them, like, the problem. Mm hmm. And he's still, like, spearheading, deflecting, I'm not the problem. Yeah. And he's being enabled by Ron Howard's brother. Well, and And it's true. That is his brother, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. And I can't remember his name in the movie, but and and you're right. And like, I mean, and if you're at the top of the corporation, you got to cover your butt so you can stick around. Yeah, you got to cover your butt to stick around and you and you want to continue being at the top and you want things to stay the status quo. Yeah. Um, And so I think that the movie would have been way more impactful if in the moment when Cindy Lou Who's dad stands up for Cindy Lou Who and then that's when they start singing. Like the whole town gets it. Like they start singing and the rest of the town joins in. Yes. I would have liked that more too because that that would have given reason to finish off the book's narrative. Right. Because now it's like, okay, we cleaned it up. Now the Grinch can hear it. Yeah. Because there's no, for me, in my mind, there is no reason Cindy Lou who needs to go to the top of the mountain. None whatsoever. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. And, and so then if you start, if you start the who's coming together and singing there, like, oh, cool, we get it. We start singing and then the Animo animated movie is just redone, shot for shot to the end. Yeah, I can get behind that. I think, I think that would have been, I think that would have been great. I agree to that. But then, like, it feels like a nasty transition shot to the top of the mountain by Cindy Lou who climbing. Yeah, she like teleports up there. Yeah, she teleports up there. I mean, they give like a couple of shots of her like making her way up there, but it's like, it's the time difference between you making it from the bottom. Walking over to the garbage chute. Yeah. Going up the garbage chute and then climbing the rest of the way up. That theoretically took the Grinch like quite a while, like a couple hours. Yeah, like they had a montage of him like sliding, like, because she went through the chute, like, I thought. No, she did. Yeah, like, like they had that montage of him like sliding up. Yeah, my point is like the time did not add up correctly. No, no, no, no, it doesn't. Um. Yeah, I'm, I'm with you. And then his heart grows, you know, you get that scene, the way that his heart was beating out of his chest was, was a little creepy. Oh, CGI, yeah, geez. Yeah, um. What's happening to me? But I totally get why he's crying, because like, with all, with all of those feelings, like, I totally get it, like, that's, in, in, in. Yeah, your trauma's being resolved. Yeah. But then at this point, I'm thinking, but where is Cindy Lou? Like, I know she's at the top of the mountain. I'm more worried about her safety at this moment. Yeah. Um, Cindy Lou, what are you doing up there? And then she's on the sleigh at this point. Yeah, she's on the sleigh at this point. And what, and what was really, Like in the animated movie, it was like his will to deliver Christmas back to the Hoos is why he gets this Herculean strength to save the sleigh. In this, it's his love and care of Cindy Lou who, For him to get the Herculean strength to save the sleigh. Yeah, I got that mama energy going. Right. And that's, I feel like that's disingenuous for his love of Christmas. It's, it's almost like his heart grew not because of the love of Christmas. Very conflicting feelings. But for the love of Cindy Lou Who. Agreed. And like, while it's a great story and it's a great arc in the movie, it's not what you would consider, it's not the story that. I personally believe Dr. Seuss told, um, when he was writing and the way that the animated movie was made out to be, uh, see, I wrote so quickly. Got some chicken scratch, got a whole lot of chicken scratch. Get that. And like, he actually, doesn't he actually say that like he didn't save the sleigh for Christmas, but he saved it for her. I thought he actually, I'm pretty sure he says something to that effect. I don't recall that line. Like right before, like before they go down, like right after he pulls the sleigh up, he says something to the effect that like, he didn't save the sleigh for them, he saved the sleigh because of you. I can see the dialogue running through my head, like I can see the image on the TV, but I don't. I don't recall the words. I feel like it's like a mixture of it. Yeah. Because he's like very chipper at this point and he's like, ruh, smile, smile, smile. Yeah. But I just don't remember what. But like, like they even, they even say it, like they're not hiding that they're doing this in their, in their story is, is, is my point. Uh, so I think the conversation happens when they're like sliding down the hill. So like. The foot, the emergency foot boot break thing breaks and Cindy Lou's like nervous like what are we gonna do and he's like kind of peering his head around the bag and he says the thing and I don't remember what it is. I wrote that. He says the thing. He said the thing. And then he'll jump into the sleigh. Talking to her like face to face and it's something more to that but then he's like you listen here I mean no sad face on Christmas. Yeah, and then the then the ride continues and I don't remember I don't remember what he says at that point. Yeah, no, but I thought what when they're sliding down when when they're taking the sleigh down to the who know and he's Snowboarding, oh, it's very clearly a double He's like skiing down the hill. Yeah, he's like kind of going back and forth or yeah, we're doing the ski thing That's very stunt double. Oh for sure. No, but but she asks like Cindy Lou who asked the Grinch like how how's he doing and he says something about like, oh, I'm great and the powders bitchin Yeah, and I'm like you got away with saying bitchin in a PG movie. Totally. Oh my gosh I love it too. And they're like going really fast and they take a turn and he like Flies off the cliff. Oh, yeah, he's like spread eagle Nailed it. Oh, I love it so much. Yeah. I'm like, dang. Does he really say that? What you just said? I don't remember that. So Hannah had the same reaction. I remember hearing like the, his tonality. It's very mumbled. So again, I watch every movie with the subtitles. Okay. I was about to ask you, did you see it? Yeah. It's, it's, it's closed captioned, bitchin. That is fantastic. Okay. I got to watch that now with that. I will watch it this winter, but yeah, kind of saving, saving myself. Um, and so like they all get down there, uh, they bring the slay, uh, and Martha May is about to, you know, walks up to both of them and the way that she adjusts herself, uh, to reject the mayor. She she's on by the way. She starts out on the bag, like the giant bag, because she's looking for the ring. Oh, I didn't notice that. And then she slides down the bag. Oh, yeah, I remember. And then that's when she adjusts herself, like posturing herself. Yeah. And then she's like, I can't accept your ring. I'm in love with someone else or something, or something like that. Uh, yeah, and then she's like, your ring. Oh, and then she says the thing, and then she looks over at the Grinch, and then that's when he like. Looks around points at himself and then he flips out. Yeah, and then he's like no hard feelings Grabs his hand and just like laughs in his face Yeah, it's so oh my gosh. It's so good. No, um, I so but yeah overall like the that's how I like again, so like I had Once they, pretty much once they got the sleigh back down the mountain, I, or like when they were even taking the sleigh back down the mountain, I started really enjoying the movie again. It was just, morning to the sleigh being down. It's a little. That's where I had my. That's where I had my issues because I felt like like again, I still feel like it went change. You change the motivations of the who. You change the motive. You change how the Grinch grows his heart. And I feel like his. His change for loving Christmas is a little less impactful, uh, but that's just my, my personal take. Yeah. Um, we don't typically have a section for fan theories, but I do have a fan theory. All right, we got a new, we got a new section. I got, I got. How the Grinch Stole Theories. How the Grinch Stole Theories. So in the movie, when. Uh, after the chair cheer, he says, I get all of your gifts, uh, and back up there and they're just garbage. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't want a pony that's going to be turned into glue. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I actually wrote that. How many neckties I have. I wrote that line about glue. I'm like, that's, that's dark. That's very dark. Uh, so, so we know the Grinch. So roll with me here. So if the Grinch receives all of the thrown out gifts. that people get. And it is well established in culture that people receive puppies for Christmas. Is Max a thrown out Christmas present? I think he is technically a stray actually, yeah. So, I'm just. I don't remember where I've read that or heard that before, but I think Max is a stray. So, Max is, so. Yeah. I'm just saying. I'm with you. Fan theory, Max is a thrown out Christmas present. Totally. And so for him to like, Refind himself with the Grinch, even more of a goat. Oh, I'm full. That is 100 percent good head canon. Thank you. For sure. I agree. So, um, Alright, rating. While totality of this movie is really solid, Mm hmm. When you come to the crux of like, uh, the story, the climax, Yep. And it just doesn't hit the way that it should, And I appreciate your perspective of like the who's and how they wrote the who's for the story. And that is going to bump my score up a little bit to a four. Oh, oh, four, four. Didn't I give Madam Webb a four? Hold up. I got this written down. I think I wrote Madam Webb was a four. Well, what do you give it? Okay. I gave Madam Webb a three out of 10. You think it's one point better. Then madam, what you completely ruined. No, no, no. I'm not giving it a 10 out of 10. I, I'm not going to say it's perfect. No, I'm with you. No. Yeah. I give it a four. I was ready for you to say it like a six. That's okay. So I really enjoyed this movie. I respect your score. Yeah. If you want to call it a four, great. No. I'm just like very impressed that you're thinking of four. Yeah, no. Um, so up until like up until the wrong, but I respect it. Thank you. Uh, no, you don't need to say thank you. You're wrong. Okay. I'll listen to you now. No. Um, so up until, up until the, like that, that first. Our like that first hour 10, I'm like, Oh, this is a solid six movie. Like that's where I was at there. And that debauchery of a climax of the original story. And, and, and the original one is really important to me. Uh, like I just, I really, like, it's one that I really feel like I have to watch every year. Yep. Uh, and just ruining that. I was just like appalled by how they, how they changed the motivations. And that means something. And it means two less points on my score for it's a hot take. I, and I understand that it's a hot take. No, no, no. I, again, I respect it even if you're wrong. Um, no, I'm just very, I, I, I thought you were going to give it like a. For Christmas movie, which are already very campy, like, how do you, that's fair. Like I thought you were going to say I started out like a seven or an eight and I ended up at a six. Like, that's kind of where my, no, I started at a six and ended up at a four. That's totally fair. I'm just very like impressed that you landed on one more point than Madame Web from my perspective. I, granted, I think my scoring is a six. I think I gave. I think I gave Let There Be Carnage like a four and a half. Okay. So, like, this movie is like What'd you give Madame Web again? I think I gave Madame Web like a five or a six. Like, uh, but again, I didn't know, excuse me, are you saying this is worse than Madam Webb? I might be saying that this is worse than Madam Webb. All right, guys. So I'm looking for a new co host, um, just put it in the review. Like I can take the job. No, so, so I got, now I, now like I feel like I need to defend myself. So I go, I'm really dragging, I'm really dragging you through the coals. Like you should. That's fine. I'm here to defend myself. I'm just having fun with this. This is great. So, no, I. When in the Madame Web not knowing anything about so you started at zero already like just had no clue I had no clue about anything about Madame Web Okay, and so like I just didn't like while the timelining and everything was all over the place. Like, it was still a rather entertaining movie. And I really didn't understand why so many people harped on it until we had our conversation. Because you have so much care and love for the Spider Man universe. Yep. I really love and care about, like, the Grinch and the animated movie. Okay. And so, like, because I'd like to hear this conversation, by the way, at some point, not today, or maybe next year we'll do the animated version. Yeah, so because I have a really good understanding of how the, like, the animated How the Grinch Stole Christmas. Uh, the OG and then see them divert so like to me divert so far and like I have no problem with them. There is a point where it became their own movie with the, with similar IPs. Yeah. I would agree to that. So like for me, like that's kind of where the rubber meets the road. Mm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I'll defend my takes come at me at the come at me in the comments, but you know, please rate it a five star first Yeah, by the way, give us a good follow share with a friend five stars would be great Even if you know say hey five stars John's right doll has bad take on the Grinch. Yeah, let me know But like I said, I give it a six. I do give it a six. So so I have a lot of really strong nostalgia for this movie, which is why I love it so much. I try to practice, though, a very healthy way of, at the very least, saying, I love this movie so much. Doesn't matter the movie. Like, context out. I love this movie so much. Nostalgia is getting in the way. But I'm gonna hold to it. Sure. Like, I'm, I try to practice doing that as much as I can. Um, so, in this instance, I'm really, um, I'm really aware that I, I do enjoy Jim Carrey, like, a lot as a, as a character. Because this person is very, like, he's super into art, he's very philosophical, he's very knowledgeable. Oh, yeah. Jim Carrey as the character, though, very impressive. Impressionists. Yeah. Very outgoing. Very zany. High energy. Yeah. Zany. I'm with you. So you can see that full like on the like full 100 percent all guns blazing all cylinders, whatever in Ace Ventura, Grinch is a little bit more tame because he's trying to do a little bit more serious stuff. Um, but still being funny. Yeah. Um, so I like Jim Carrey a lot. And that's, like, very evident of his character in this movie. Mm hmm. So, a lot of good, like, everything I quoted was mostly Jim Carrey. Yeah, I agree that, like, him as the character, the Grinch, He carries really, Oh, he carries this movie. He's really, really good. Like I'm not saying that. And I think the reason it's a four and not like a three for me is because of like his one liners and monologues and stuff. Yeah. So I'm like fully aware of that standpoint and my perspective of why I like the movie. And I agree. I think you worded it a lot better than I could have if I had a conversation about this movie with anyone without this conversation. Now in my, um, under my experiential belt, I guess, if you want to call it that. Um, I don't know who would, but getting to my point, I'm very well aware that like the beginning is one story, the ending is another story, and it feels like they filmed both angles and then at the very end, they're like, we got to figure out how to put these two stories together and I don't know how to do it. Cause we were like in the whole like. Mount Crumpet scene like the who's are coming out in the village and they're all like bickering and the Grinch is like Like there's a good like if you put all the Grinch's scenes during that part of the movie into one It's like a good two minutes of him. Just like standing around like What do I do now? What's going on? They should be doing this and it's like, that could just be like 30 seconds. Yeah. So that's very evident in my peripheral and that definitely heart like dampers it. And there's a lot of other moments that I just feel very unnecessary like, uh, Martha, like putting the lights on her house and The t shirt cannon. And the mom is like Yeah, and the mom is like, or uh, Cindy Lou's mom is like standing on it, like that whole thing makes the conversation of like consumerism like very redundant. Like we don't need to see that except for the sake of like indulging in that notion of the whole movie's premise. Uh, cause like, it's a good scene, like it's fun, it's funny, it's whatever. It's like another good one liner. Yeah. What's the point? The point's already been said. Yeah. Martha. Hi. Um, I, I do have a, it's only a hundred years old. Do you think you would have rated it higher or lower if you had rewatched the movie before coming in here? Or do you think you would have just kept it at a six? I probably would have kept it at a six. Okay. I'm just curious. No, I, in the moment I say that, if I, It wouldn't go lower, it wouldn't go, so it would not go lower. That's fair. Because me coming in here watching it, I probably would have been a little bit more hyped. Like that movie was fun and refreshing and it was so good. And I remember quotes a lot better, but like, I don't know, I feel like the amount of quotes that you remembered for not watching it before this is still incredible. No notes all off the cuff. No, no, I Honestly, I give I give you like a six seven out of ten for the amount of energy that you bring. It's fantastic Oh my gosh, like you try to wrap yourself up in your own Christmas prepping. Oh, honey. That's so sweet and so But going back to your point of like, you've watched this movie a bunch of times, and it is like a nostalgia trip for you. For me, this was So many times, dude. So for me, this was my first time viewing it as an ever. Like, this is my first time seeing the movie. Oh, really? Yeah. I feel like you may have said that, but the way you're talking about it makes it feel like you've never, like you haven't seen it before. Like, I've seen bits and pieces. Okay. Uh, my, I know my grandma loved it, but I never watched it. Um, and so like, I feel like that that Does way like does change like change it might change people's perception of me and my perception of the movie I'm why like this was my first watch and my first watch as of this movie is an adult not as a kid Yeah but still like It's still, again, it's still a really solid movie. I have no problem re watching it. Like I would re watch this movie if someone wanted to re watch it. That's the thing about Christmas movies is that like, there's already like a bar for a movie. Like there are different bars for movies, right? Oh, 100%. So I usually get the analogy in these kind of situations. Like when I'm comparing things, like people like, I'm a big coffee drinker and people are like, like, I would never drink coffee. Current coffee or I would never drink this coffee and I'm over here like I would drink Waffle House coffee out of Waffle House If I drink intelligentsia or madcap coffee like really high end coffee sure out of Waffle House. That's more problematic to me So like if I'm watching like if it's um, Oscar season. Yeah, and someone said like hey The Grinch is up for an Oscar for makeup. I'd be like, okay, cool. I'd be like, that's good. But like, is it an Oscar movie? Probably just for the Grinch. Yeah. Granted, makeup was fantastic. I'm just trying to give an example here. But like if someone like Christmas movies are different from Oscar movies is the point I'm trying to get at. Fun fact, it did win the Oscar for best makeup. I was gonna say I thought it did. But again, my whole point being like Christmas movies are, I watched Uh, a Netflix special called Hot Frosty, Jack Frost coming alive and he's hot. Okay. Not a good movie, but it was a fun Christmas movie. Sure. Like it's not good. Yeah. But it's a Christmas movie. Yeah. That's my whole point. Yeah. Uh, Christmas movies. Get a pass like elf is a fine movie and there's a lot of good quotes Maybe worth having a conversation someday. Maybe maybe Who knows knows? Who knows? But like A lot of good, got a lot of good, like, one liners, story is fish out of water. It is a fish out of water story. Like, cool. That's a good point. Great. Maybe we'll talk about it later. Who knows? Who knows? Um, but yeah. Any other final thoughts? Uh, no. I think, I, I feel like we, we've, we flushed, we flushed this movie out. Pretty well. I enjoyed our conversation. What are we trying to say here? I'm very curious what you're trying to say. Flushed? Flushed? Flushed the movie. Flush. Is, is that, is, is, it's flushed the movie, like, flushed out, right? The way you said that made it sound like you were insinuating something. No, I wasn't. Okay. Like, flushing, like, to Mount Crumpit. I thought that's what you're trying to say. I'm like that. I'm like what you're trying to say doesn't connect. No. Got it. Cool. All right. So, um. I was just being dumb. So, uh, for those who want to know, budget, I'm doing things a little bit different out of order because I feel like this just makes a lot of sense. Bank of Who says that, says that the budget for this movie was 123 and again, for those who may not know breaking even or. Breaking even on that budget means that it's not good. Right. Like you did not make any money off of it. Yeah. Uh, the powers that be did not make any money off of it. So you want to get, try to get a little bit more, um, I don't quite know what the math is. The box office, it did do 306 46 $0.5 million, which is good. Yeah. What was the budget again? 1 23. So they made it. Oh, so it, oh, it doubled. Yeah. So, yeah. How'd the math go on that it made. Over a hundred percent. Yeah, I think it's how the math works. Yeah, um general production on this movie It's pretty much like I don't know the biggest thing about the movie that I could probably say is that dr Seuss was very insistent on declining offers to sell rights to Like, of his, like, Stories 2 movies to, like, remake. And the minute that the estate was available to do that, they just, like, immediately auctioned off all these rights. And so, that's how we got, like, Cat in the Hat. Oh, Mike Myers Cat in the Hat. Which was a travesty. Maybe we'll do that someday. Hope not, because Yikes. I haven't seen it, so. Maybe we should. Um, so, on to the segment, I'm gonna call How the Grinch Stole Trivia. How the Grinch Stole Trivia. So we. I love my trivia. Don't steal my trivia. Uh. Well, we might return it. Please. Are you going to be Cindy Lou in this situation? Mr. Grinch. Mr. Grinch, please come sit on the chair of trivia. Oh, I should have done that. That was good. That was good. All right. So we talked about how, um, the biggest thing. That a lot of people like to talk about alluding back to my whole as classic as portion is that Jim Carrey did go through like two hours of makeup, and it was very frustrating for him. It's gone on record that he said he felt like he was being buried alive. I believe that. Um, it's a lot of makeup. And I forgot how many hours specifically, like, he went through it in total. Yeah. But they did, uh, the makeup artist for him, I forgot their name, uh, did go and hire a consultant to train him on CIA techniques to avoid torture, specifically torture. Yeah. So the winners of Best makeup for the Oscar for the movie, where Rick Baker and Gail Raul Ryan, Raul, Raul. Okay, the name doesn't sound familiar, but yes, anyways, um, so getting into my main point of the trivia for this one is the first time Jim Carrey tried on the makeup for the Grinch. He was so uncomfortable that he kicked a hole in the wall and told Ron Howard that he couldn't play the role. Whoa. It's crazy. That is crazy. Um, next segment in the final scene, Cindy Lou, who Taylor Momsen passes, Max Kelly, a plate of green eggs and ham in reference to Dr. Seuss's book published on August 12th, 1960. Green eggs and ham. Uh, this one doesn't get talked about enough, but I'm very well aware of it because I just, it blows my mind every time I hear it. Jim Carrey's Yellow eyes are yellow contact lenses, so they were large like contact lenses. Sure, okay. And they were so uncomfortable that he wasn't able to wear them at times during filming, so some of the shots of his eyes were colored in post production. So his entire eye was all yellow because that was practical effects. Really? For the most part. Uh, the jewels in Martha May's hair when she is explaining the Grinch's backstory is from the tree topper that the young Grinch made for Martha, implying that she is still having feelings for him. Aww. Which makes sense. I actually do remember, like, the living room that they're in, and like, her outfit was a little bit more gaudy than Anything else? She really wears. Yeah. Uh, and she does wear a headpiece. This is a bad analogy, but like, when It just reminded me a little bit of Edward Scissorhands. With like the girl at the bottom of the mountain who loves the girl loves the freak at the top Yeah, loves the freak at the top of the mountain. I love that movie so much. It's a great movie Did you know that I'm a pretty big Tim Burton fan? I did not know that you're a big Tim Burton fan I love Edward Scissorhands. I think I have that one on DVD big fish Big fish is a great movie. Oh, good. Incredible movie. I have a big Tim Burton. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Um, last bit of trivia. And then I got a new segment for you that we may do a lot more times. We may not do too much times too many times. I think last time we did it was in Wayne's world episode. Go check it out. Episode one, episode one. I don't think I gave it a formal name yet, but last bit of trivia, the line 6 30 PM dinner with me. Sorry. 6 PM dinner with me. Can't cancel that again. Was improvised by Jim Carrey. I feel like a lot of stuff he said in this movie was very improvised, including the director's scene. That's the classic, but I also feel like it had like him trying to scare Cindy Lou who all had to be improvised. Yeah. Oh yeah. Like he's hanging like a ninja from the ceiling of the post office and she's going, ah, and he's like, ah, I'm thinking of when Max's sneezes and he's like, I was also thinking of like, when, when he's like wrapping her up. Again, this movie is incredibly quotable. I'm quoting all Jim Carrey quotes, by the way. Yeah. Like that's kind of proof to your egregious rating, but proves. Yeah, it's four points to Jim Carrey. Worse than Madame Web. Egregious. All right. You're never gonna forgive me for this, are you? I'll probably forget about it by tomorrow. Okay. Um. So we're calling this Alternative Christmases. Alternative, alternative versions of the movie. Ooh. So, the network TV version of the movie added scenes not shown on the DVD, including an extended version of the present, pass it on sequence. So, I've only seen this scene Cause I watched Twice. Cause I watched it on DVD. I owned it. Yeah. Good to know you wait, was this part of your collection that you inherited? Okay, that makes sense. Sweet. I'm glad I contributed to that. Yeah, the show contributed to that. Yeah. Yeah, let's be narcissistic. So the whole premise of the movie or the scene is, it's during the like, um, cobalation, and they're in a giant, it's exactly how it sounds. They're in a giant circle and they take a present and they pass it on kind of like, yeah, Duck, duck, goose, goose scenario. Um, and that's really all it is. There's nothing really significant about it. And I don't really know why that'd be on a TV version. Maybe it's cause they're cutting out some stuff and they need to add like runtime to it. I don't know. Uh, and then the last bit is included on the DVD release of the film are some deleted scenes and extended scenes. One is an extended version of the Grinch wreaking havoc in Whoville by using a marble. I do remember this, which causes a domino effect. And another scene is where. And so, this is the scene where, uh, Cindy Lou, who, so the dad, is called into a parent teacher conference because Cindy Lou, who wanted to do a report on the Grinch, so this is like between her doing like a Oh, that explains why she's carrying around the recorder and not just it's not like she's It's a school present It's a school project Yeah. It's not just her all going Nancy Drew. Right. And trying to investigate why the Grinch is the Grinchy way that he is. Yeah. And then a final scene reveals that the tree the Grinch cut down from the floor is The one you were talking about is actually the Whoville police officers. The officer comes downstairs, sleepwalking, and the Grinch locks him in the linen closet. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, but now like that's now, now that's a, is that a federal crime defacing a and damaging a county building or a. City building. I mean, I would imagine it is, but it's, it's some sort of crime police officers home. Not Oh, Not like the precinct not the precinct. Okay. Okay, so that's it. And again, like always Listen to our other episodes. We're doing a Christmas run. So if you listen to this in the future We got three more episodes in front of this and yeah, you want to check out some of our past stuff. We have episodes on um Wayne's World, Madame Web, um, Gladiator, Gladiator, Black Rain. I've talked to three people now who have not heard of that movie. Yeah. And also, by the way, you guys, listeners, are like loving that episode. Yeah. So, please listen to it more. Check it out. Share it with a friend. If no one's ever heard of it, you can be like, hey, check it out. You should check this movie out. You know, be a buddy, gift wrap, gift wrap our episodes into somebody's messages and share them with them. Totally. Yeah. Um, like, share, follow, subscribe, all that normal stuff. Five stars, you know, give, give me a five star for appropriately rating this movie. Give Donald a five star for trying his hardest. Maybe am I the Grinch because I won't give this a higher rating? No, you're a Grinch for giving it a lower rating than Madame Webb. No, no, you're the rating's fine, but it's worse than Madame Webb and that's a problem. Um, but anyways, we already gave you a hint on the next episode and if you didn't catch it, sounds like you need to download this episode again. Yeah. And uh, we'll see you in the next episode. This has been Jern and Dern. Peace. Bye.